Eishi constantly wants to talk with others so i proxy for him in chats here and a couple other servers
It helps his development too, he's becoming a lot clearer than he used to be
To be fair, compared the most of the history of the tulpa community, I've seen really good changes in the last couple years of de-complicating tulpamancy and no longer pushing expectations that tulpas take super long to create or that very early vocality is bad etc.
2:04 AM
It might not be where you want it at yet on average, but it's definitely trending better
Yuka
There's no "too early" and there's no such thing as unintentional parroting
We saw this back when it was first released, it's great to see new articles but it's flawed, and also seemingly is only covered to further discredit the current standard model of DID and prop up the sociocultural model (check their previous article for context)(edited)
I really liked seeing Jung's experiences mentioned in the article though. I think Jung was majorly ahead of his time in terms of plural phenomena in the mind
3:11 PM
The tulpamancy section focused too much on the early Buddhist traditions and cultural sharing than the actual community
3:12 PM
atleast in my opinion. Overall exposure is good but wish it was more thorough and nuanced
" But unlike those with DID, many who experience an internal life within a multiplicity system are fully aware of the existence of other members (and therefore use "we" as a preferred pronoun), find the experience more affirming than distressing, and don't typically see themselves as having a mental disorder"
more affirming than distressing? wow they definitely didn't try to call a plural by singular "you" and the legal name
It seems to have some incorrect stuff about DID
One thing is says is that tulpas can be non-human unlike DID alters but i've met plenty of DID systems with "nonhuman" alters(edited)
Kei Wendt
It seems to have some incorrect stuff about DID
One thing is says is that tulpas can be non-human unlike DID alters but i've met plenty of DID systems with "nonhuman" alters (edited)
I'm just surprised that a psychologist so seemingly well versed in plurality doesn't know of the existence of things like fictives and nonhuman-formed alters
We definitely have some people in system who are more interested in fitness than I am.
1:53 AM
I reckon they'd like to work out if they had their own bodies, and their own schedules, but being a student, and having a job that doesn't require much movement means they don't often get to indulge in that interest.
We have a wonderland, yeah. Whenever we're doing something that requires it, we imagine sitting nearby one another, or focus in on wherever each person is.
4:06 AM
Generally, if we're meditating together, we're going to be in close proximity to one another in the wonderland.
I actively forced for only like 20-30 minutes but it felt very long. I tried to imagine a wonderland but I have not taken the time to properly create it. I had a full conversation, held hands, gave each other feet rubs, and hugged. I feel like I am making some progress at least at the imaginary friend stage. I'm really excited to work hard and see more progress! I love the feeling like I always have someone to share with and feel affection from. I may need more personality traits and depth to properly flesh out the personality but I think I'm on a good path!
@berockly (TTG) - jump
it's because people are social creatures and we use other people as social mirrors, by how people interact with us we see reflection of ourselves and we learn more about who we are.
that's singlets' experience and tulpa's experience as well
building separate experiences helps separating the tulpa, too, because what tulpamancy is about is just disowning part of the experience and letting your tulpa own it. having separate conversations that tulpa's host is not involved in provides opportunity for that.
i think keeping tulpa just in your head for a long time is what slows down the progress of tulpas the most. it can only take you this far, because it will be limited to the limited experiences that the host can provide for the tulpa, which can be quite hard especially when the host is not socially experienced.
the only risk i see with getting tulpa out to the world is that then you let the tulpa be personality forced by other people, too, so the host needs to be cautious about who they let their tulpa interact with.
i also think what is damaging to tulpamancers is what i call "system forcing", which is a process of forming beliefs, mechanisms and expectations about what a system works like. system forcing can come from the tulpamancer but also from people they interact with.
that i strongly believe should be kept to absolute minimum and even if it's done it should be adjusted to what the tulpamancer wants from tulpamancy and what they actually need. "system forcing" from external sources should be limited in my opinion only to affirmation that the person is plural and not tell them how all of it works and let them explore it by themself. Unfortunately tulpamancers have tendency to force others into their own beliefs, morality and system dynamics, which can sometimes be unhealth.
1:45 PM
to add to that, i think true help for aspiring tulpamancers is to be social mirror for their tulpa and not distract them by system forcing. in my opinion system forcing is a confusing (for some) waste of time
1:46 PM
you might see that the word "forcing" is not applicable to my approach, it's more about learning and expanding what kind of person the tulpa is. it's just personal growth
1:48 PM
also having other people interact with the tulpa can affirm any of the host's doubt and build stronger conviction that they are plural, especially if they struggle trusting their own judgement
1:51 PM
keep in mind that none of this information is important for the person starting with tulpamancy, you don't need to explain all of that to them, it will only get on the way and will be, again, system forcing. any approach that tries to explain how things work is putting you on a position of a "teacher" (which can be tempting for your ego), but...
all you really have to do to help someone is to be a good, reaffirming, patient friend, the brain will do the rest because that's what it is hardwired for
1:57 PM
oh i didn't mention but yes the biggest culprits of system forcing are tulpamancy guides in my opinion
I can't help but write textwalls by nature, but I have always been passively against the "just read guides" culture. My system didn't use any guides (well, we predate them, and for the skills switching and imposition we didn't learn before Tulpa.info, simply hearing they were possible was enough for us to figure them out for ourselves)
You'd be surprised how badly some people want to be told what to do though. I have seen someone here and there who was just incapable of deciding on any tulpamancy stuff themselves and just had to ask questions for every single possible thing.(edited)
2:01 PM
I feel like people like that are less likely to find success overall (in tulpamancy - it's probably fine for most other things)(edited)
2:01 PM
In the end, the ideas you come up with yourself will always be more likely to work for you than some random person's advice.
for people that can't do it themselves i think what they need is just continued external validation rather than guides and instructions. guides still keep them internal, because they talk about internal things.
a lot of guides are also logical/intellectual when tulpamancy is about emotional and social intelligence that you do intuitively
2:02 PM
i did meet people that struggled with tulpamancy for a long time and the approach i described helped them
2:03 PM
In the end, the ideas you come up with yourself will always be more likely to work for you than some random person's advice.
@Reisen - jump
yes i agree! and i think that's why what i said works well, because you help people form what works for them specifically
2:05 PM
and also they don't need to think about it when they do so
Leiko
Why does talking to other people help a tulpa?
@berockly (TTG) - jump
it's because people are social creatures and we use other people as social mirrors, by how people interact with us we see reflection of ourselves and we learn more about who we are.
that's singlets' experience and tulpa's experience as well
building separate experiences helps separating the tulpa, too, because what tulpamancy is about is just disowning part of the experience and letting your tulpa own it. having separate conversations that tulpa's host is not involved in provides opportunity for that.
i think keeping tulpa just in your head for a long time is what slows down the progress of tulpas the most. it can only take you this far, because it will be limited to the limited experiences that the host can provide for the tulpa, which can be quite hard especially when the host is not socially experienced.
the only risk i see with getting tulpa out to the world is that then you let the tulpa be personality forced by other people, too, so the host needs to be cautious about who they let their tulpa interact with.
i also think what is damaging to tulpamancers is what i call "system forcing", which is a process of forming beliefs, mechanisms and expectations about what a system works like. system forcing can come from the tulpamancer but also from people they interact with.
that i strongly believe should be kept to absolute minimum and even if it's done it should be adjusted to what the tulpamancer wants from tulpamancy and what they actually need. "system forcing" from external sources should be limited in my opinion only to affirmation that the person is plural and not tell them how all of it works and let them explore it by themself. Unfortunately tulpamancers have tendency to force others into their own beliefs, morality and system dynamics, which can sometimes be unhealth.
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